Curse

Laughing Bat · Dec 10, 2008, 07:29 AM // 07:29

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Originally Posted by Seloy Deparra

In GW Factions, The Luxons and Kurzicks are at war. During World War II, the Axis and Allies were at war. Didn't both the Axis and Allies used espionage and "dirty" tactics during those times? They did. In any other war that you know of, didn't both warring parties used some sort of "dirty" "unsportsmanlike" tactics?

In a role-playing-game like GW, I think that employing "dirty" tactics is just fine. The end justifies the means so to speak. Imo employing the tactics mentioned in the examples adds spice to the ever fun Luxon-Kurzick war.

The difference being that they could arrest spies they caught in all of those wars. All you can really do in gw in that situation is rage quit. Should there be a punishment? No not really, but your still a J@<$ A#% if you do it. Getting a good team in those things is hard enough as it is.
The only way I'd support that kind of gameplay is if there was some way for the team your infiltraiting to retaliate other then /report. If it was incorperated into the gameplay it could be awesome.(the spy in team fortress 2 for example, can be killed by the enemy team while disguised.)

FlamingMetroid · Dec 10, 2008, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by Laughing Bat

J@<$ A#%

I'm pretty sure you can say "jack ass" plainly without having to avoid a filter

Laughing Bat · Dec 10, 2008, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

I'm pretty sure you can say "jack ass" plainly without having to avoid a filter

lol just trying to be somewhat kid friendly while still cursing. What can I say, I like to have my cake and eat it to, what else would you do with cake anyways?

FlamingMetroid · Dec 10, 2008, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by Laughing Bat

lol just trying to be somewhat kid friendly while still cursing. What can I say, I like to have my cake and eat it to, what else would you do with cake anyways?

oh man do I have some pictures for you

Laughing Bat · Dec 10, 2008, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by FlamingMetroid

oh man do I have some pictures for you

lmao this thread could become very interesting(off topic perhaps but still very interesting.)

Rhamia Darigaz · Dec 10, 2008, 08:22 AM // 08:22

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Originally Posted by Laughing Bat

lol just trying to be somewhat kid friendly while still cursing. What can I say, I like to have my cake and eat it to, what else would you do with cake anyways?

i hate to break it to you but any kid old enough to read forums is gonna know that J@<$ A#$ = jack ass and they probably aren't as offended by it as hypersensitive people would have you believe, if at all.

Master Ketsu · Dec 10, 2008, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by MisterB

[Quicksand][Quickening Zephyr][Nature's Renewal][Tranquility][Frozen Soil][Muddy Terrain][Predatory Season][Edge of Extinction]

Play that bar, or something like it, and everyone will love you. And by love, I mean RAGE.

I used that once in AB. Very win.

Rothan Celt · Dec 10, 2008, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by MisterB

[Quicksand][Quickening Zephyr][Nature's Renewal][Tranquility][Frozen Soil][Muddy Terrain][Predatory Season][Edge of Extinction]

Play that bar, or something like it, and everyone will love you. And by love, I mean RAGE.

it is such a lol

and ive heard about this happning before and got accused for bringing muddy terrain when i was playing on the Kurz FA (when i only ever cast it when the turtles busted the first gate and if we held the purple amber mine then i would place it at the orange)

was kinda funny being called a spy

Abedeus · Dec 10, 2008, 10:22 AM // 10:22

Instead of Predatory Season get Pestilence.

Because of the conditions Luxons like to use.

Shasgaliel · Dec 10, 2008, 10:55 AM // 10:55

I saw it in JD quarry a lot. People starting game on one side and setting their secondary accounts to leech/block active slot on the other. I guess it happens in AB as well. I think it is just a part of the game. I would not call it a crime and I do not see any possible way to deal with that other than reporting leechers...

Crom The Pale · Dec 10, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

I ran as a kurzick to sabatoge them just for the fun of it once. I was running a war with [frenzy]+[healing signet] + armor from Ascalon and must have died about 50+ times

No real harm done, but the Luxon's must have filled the screen with LoL's every time they saw me charge up and then stop to frenzyheal =)

farmerfez · Dec 10, 2008, 11:54 AM // 11:54

wow you thought a lot about this didnt you...

Gun Pierson · Dec 10, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

In case some of you fruitcakes take the word 'crime' too seriously...No this topic is not about going to jail, it's about gameplay, gamemechanics and 'dirty' tactics. And how Anet might see and react to it.

In case of the ranger spirit build: I had a good laugh with that one, but I think people will catch you pretty soon.

The warrior build however has more chance as they will think you're a noob wammo and you might get away with it. They might indeed even laugh with you using frenzy + heal sig.

Echo + iron mist on Gunther would be hilarious. Even only mist for a monk/ele, they will think you went ele for the glyph of lesser energy.

A necromancer sacrificing himself to death while minions turn red might go undetected too if played well.

On a side note, a leecher has a different goal imo.

TheDragonmaster · Dec 10, 2008, 01:13 PM // 13:13

I love the ranger spirit bar. Two others that are equally loveable are the following (swap UA for Vengeance now that it's updated)...

Mo/E Judas Monk
Me/Mo L33THAX Mesmer

Fril Estelin · Dec 10, 2008, 01:18 PM // 13:18

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

On a side note, a leecher has a different goal imo.

Yes but it's in the same class of "dirtyness". Spying/infiltrating is NOT fun. I know EVE players will disagree and it's their right, but then simply play EVE.

I find it sad when I see ABers trying to screw a game for that kind of purpose. Selfish fun FTL.

Gun Pierson · Dec 10, 2008, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

Yes but it's in the same class of "dirtyness". Spying/infiltrating is NOT fun. I know EVE players will disagree and it's their right, but then simply play EVE.

I find it sad when I see ABers trying to screw a game for that kind of purpose. Selfish fun FTL.

Yes and no. In this case the players play the game. When leeching or leaving, they do not. In my second example it would not be selfish fun. An alliance getting a series of wins by using a complete thought out and coordinated plan while the opponont doesn't even see what's going on. Lots of their players would gain a minimum of worthless faction as they play on the wrong side.

I tried 'eve' via a trial key some time ago. Not my cup of tea, I didn't even get to the point where I could catch a glimp of the spy business. But like I said before, this game might indeed not be suitable, yet the opportunity is there. Not that I see an alliance pull this off on a large scale atm, especially non detected.

Anyway, I know what you mean and I understand your concerns.

Aldric · Dec 10, 2008, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Seloy Deparra

In GW Factions, The Luxons and Kurzicks are at war. During World War II, the Axis and Allies were at war. Didn't both the Axis and Allies used espionage and "dirty" tactics during those times? They did. In any other war that you know of, didn't both warring parties used some sort of "dirty" "unsportsmanlike" tactics?

In a role-playing-game like GW, I think that employing "dirty" tactics is just fine. The end justifies the means so to speak. Imo employing the tactics mentioned in the examples adds spice to the ever fun Luxon-Kurzick war.

And in war spies were generally shot when caught so I would assume that if you used these dirty tactics in GW and got caught you'd be okay with a banned account

ps TheDragonmaster , the Judas Monk looks like fun

Mikelenn · Dec 10, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

I find the idea of farming faction by syncing a group of "neeb" accounts into a faction gainer such as AB while having the accounts you WANT faction on on the other side rather amusing.

Wouldnt be a bad idea in an asian outpost, theyre always empty, shove twelve of your own "neeb" accounts on other side, the team you want the faction on on the other, resign the twelve "neeb" ones and BOOM faction

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Fril Estelin · Dec 10, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

In this case the players play the game.

No they don't. Spying and infiltration never, ever was part of GW. They're trying to play a "different game", in the sense that they're having fun by playing at the expense of others.

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In my second example it would not be selfish fun. An alliance getting a series of wins by using a complete thought out and coordinated plan while the opponont doesn't even see what's going on. Lots of their players would gain a minimum of worthless faction as they play on the wrong side.

Yes it is selfish, because all GW players know that we're not playing EVE and kurz/lux factions are supposed to be the side where you actually play the game, not trying to win by infiltrating the other ones. It's selfish to try to do that because you're sort-of imposing your own rules to the game. And even if you don't consider it selfish, by for example putting your rules well above the ones that define the fun of the majority, it's unsportmanship. Most games have similar rules where you win constructively, rather than destructively (I won because you lost).

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this game might indeed not be suitable, yet the opportunity is there.

True, but there's very little Anet can do. I mean, individual players switching sides may always argue that they were simply trying to play the other side. On the other hand Anet could detect an organised act where many players switch sides, even possibly using alt accounts, you can see that in the game these players are not really playing. I'm not saying it's going to happen in GW1 (it won't), or even in GW2 (it doesn't seem like a big concern).

IMHO that's something that the community has to deal with directly, encouraging constructive play (I won because I was better), rather than destructive (I won because I made you loose). Introducing rules or game features will only make things worse, firstly by suggesting to players to become spy while they would have never thought about it, secondly as it's going to move players away from creating and push them closer to the "dar side" (sorry for the caricature, I didn't meant it to be sounds like this).

As in life, there are very little rules that can be effective against this kind of behaviour, unless we start policing ourselves by sharing common values that go beyond our self-centered individuals. When winning becomes everything and you forget to look at the way you won, it's the door opened to all abuses.

the Puppeteer · Dec 10, 2008, 05:24 PM // 17:24

cheating in a fixed fight? Thats reaaaly low...